It has been bought to my attention that three BNP members in Northamptonshire that have previously stood as candidates in elections have received an unsolicited information pack from the English Democrats. I can assure you that I have not passed on any information regarding members of the BNP to the English Democrats. Having spoken to the National Secretary of the Party, he is unaware, and also unhappy, that information packs are being sent out to current BNP members. From what I understand the information is being sent out in official Party envelopes so whoever is doing this has access to official party stationery, which I do not. If any members of the BNP in Northants that has NOT stood as candidates in the past have received an information pack from the English Democrats can you please let me know. The contact details of past candidates is available in the public domain, the details of normal members should not be available. I can only assume that someone at Head office has made it their job to target past BNP candidates in the hope that they are no longer members, can see the benefits of joining the English Democrats, and stand again in elections.
I am furious that this has happened just a week or so after officially joining the English Democrats as fingers are automatically pointing at me for leaking information. I am not naive enough to think an information pack would make anyone change party, I had my reasons for leaving the BNP and left it several months to weigh up the options. I will not deny that I made what I consider to be some good friends in Northants BNP, and I hope the actions of a person or persons unknown do not tarnish a good friendship.
UPDATE
I have been informed that the English Democrats have employed a marketing company to recruit new members ahead of next year’s County Council elections. The company concerned was previously used by the British National Party. 12,000 letters have been sent out nationwide. If you receive one and wish to be removed either call the number or return the letter asking to be removed. I hope this clears things up.
Ah, the joy of political partying
I still favour getting rid of all political parties, so al candidates are independents and local.
Have the EngDesm got rid of Eddy Butler yet? His antics with Dalgleish against Steve Squires made me cringe
Eddy is still with the Eng Dems as far as I am aware. Eddy is an aquired taste, but he is a good elections organiser. There are other members who I hold in very high regard that have also joined the Eng Dems
I wouldnt call 97 votes in his last appearence great, describing him as a good elections organiser is not very convincing
He did OK when he got Richard Barnbrook elected didn’t he?
Eddy didnt get Barnbrook elected. it was the countless hours of leafletting, street activities and constant work of ordinary members who got him elected
And who do you think organised all those hours of leafleting? It was Eddy Butler
Telling a few teams where to leaflet hardly constitutes a good elections organiser. At that time the BNP was growing all over the country, i doubt if Eddy made any difference
I can see you’ve never been involved in planning an election campaign. If you can’t give any ex members credit for doing a good job when they were with the party then you are extremely blinkered
I recieved an info pack yesterday and assumed you had given them the names of ex bnp members.
I have never stood for election and naturally thought you had passed on my details. I am glad to know this is not the case as I value my privacy and have left politics behind as a lost cause.
Hello Andy, yes I know you left the party a while back, it sounds like someone is using the infamous leaked list, very naughty
I take it the marketing company is Mr Dowson, surely this is a breach of the data protection act. Why on earth are the ED’s using this mans services for, this man is only interested in making cash and sees nationalists as fools to milk funds. He has repeatedly derided the ED’s in the past, im just dumfounded
Anthony, you are making an assumption that it is Mr Dowson. I would not have thought that he would assist the English Democrats if trying to Build up his own party. I know James sometimes reads this blog so I am sure he will put us straight if he reads your comment.
I just read on Griffins Twitter page that he believes Mr Dowson is now sending out mail shots for the ED’s , im sure he is more in the know than me
I am surprised if this is the case as Mr Dowson is still involved with Britain First as far as I am aware. Rergardless, whoever the EngDems have employed they have employed a marketing company, not an Individual, so if it is Dowson’s company, Dowson himself is not directly involved with the Eng Dems as he was with the BNP. It is a free country and people can choose to work with whom they like, and if this is the case I find it quite refreshing that two nationalist groups can actually co-operate, maybe things are beginning to look up after all.
Rest assured that as soon as the English Democrats are seen to present any threat to the established parties they will become the target of such attacks. As this party becomes more well known and starts to stand more candidates for election expect ever more from the “Dirty Tricks Brigade”. I even had death threats when I stood as a candidate in the last general election which shows just how far some people will go.
The Ed,s are not the subject of any attacks, they are using a stolen membership list, which is illegal.Over the last few years they have fielded fewer and fewer candidates so i dont think the establishment see them as a threat
Actually, the list is not stolen, it is the property of Mr Dowsons marketing agency
So it is Mr Dowson who is involved, its his agency . The man is a toatal mercenary. It shows how un successful his group is going if he needs to work for a rival group. Its an admission of failure of Britain Firtst
It is an admission of nothing, business is business
Buisness is buisness says it all. Dowson made money with his involvment with the BNP, nothing wrong with that, but the fact that he set uo BF shows he knew he could still make money from nationalists. Now BF is failing he sees the ED’s as the next cash cow.It shows how shallow he is, its the buisness thats important not the movement.Dowson has been at Butlers throat and vice versa but if there is money to be made then thats ok, because like you said buisness is buisness.it shows that the movement is riddled with odious selfish little people with no view of the bigger picture
Dowson was involved with the BNP, his company Midas has been appointed to send out letters for the Eng Dems. Dowson as an individual is not involed with the Eng Dems. You need to see it with an unbiased mind to be able to see the difference between Dowson as and Individual and Dowson as the Businessman. Personally, I do not think the Eng Dems made the right decision to appoint Midas, but then they have made the right decision not to let Dowson get ‘involved ‘with the party, as Griffin did with the BNP
I’m very sad to see your updates Patriot. Who else than Dowson would have a 12,000 previously used mailing list? Who in their right mind would use Dowson after he was able to abuse, ILLEGALLY, that same list to launch his own party? Did anyone sign paperwork that allowed the BNP to pass on membership details? When property is sold illegally, you can’t be the legal owner. This and having Butler proves the EDL is just as rotten as the BNP. This is just another political party and that will let you down.
Hi Wim, One point, the EDL are not the English Democrats. I am not privvy to the arrangement between Dowsons marketing company and the BNP over the ownership rights of any list of past enquiries. I know at one point, whether it is still the case or not, that the BNP could not use the subscription list for the Voice of Freedom for marketing, because the Party did not own the list. Personally I’m sick and tired of personal vendetta’s between little cliques of Nationalists, if they want to continue their squabbles, so be it, but I just want to get on and do something positive.
Sorry, I muddled up: I meant EngDems, not EDL. And I’ve more sorry to hear that the BNP didn’t own it’s own mailing lists !? What a bunch of clowns.
Understandable at your fustration with the divisions within nationalism. However all groups are the ‘property’ of various tinpot dictators who cannot work with each other. In my opinion its these so called leaders who have dragged us down The divisions are not deep when it comes to policy or aims, its the little men who control these groups that will always keep us apart.It wasnt the ordinary members who damaged the BNP, they were happy doing what they did, it was the likes of Griffin and Butler who tore it apart for spitful personal reasons and they will do so again aslong as these people are involved. There seems to be some kind of ingrained culture of plotting and back stabbing in the nationalist movement
That was partly behind my decision to join the English Democrats, they were not formed from the BNP, they were a party already in existence. The rot had set in before the spat between Griffin and Butler and was mainly due to the megolamania of Griffin not wanting to relinquish any control of the party to concentrate on being and MEP, thinking he could two two jobs when it was patently obvious that he couldn’t.
Well maybe the ED’s were already in existance but the fact is they have been swamped with about 200 ex BNP who will change its character. They will appear to be a split from the BNP and will bring all the old problems with it
appearances can be deceptive, but the facts remain the same.
Must say I feel a bit left out at not getting an information pack LOL
I can always pop some stuff through your door…I haven’t had one either
Think may of you are missing the point yes dowson works for money dont we all but he is good at raising money so what he is doing is good for the English dems but only if its spent correctly to build the party rather that to fight pointless un winnable court cases as NG did with the money of patriots.
Oh dear, here we go with the conspiracies, half truths and fantasies AGAIN. The reality is that as a Ulster/Scots staunch unionist I am not a member of any ‘localized’ nationalist party. However, I do believe passionately and always have, that my English cousins have been robbed of all sense of their own English tribal/cultural identity by The ‘BRITISH’ project. So, if approached by any respectable, honest, decent English organization( previous lessons learned and £160k down) I would give serious consideration to helping then , either in a professional/commercial capacity or as a favour out of ideological sympathy. Data belongs to the entity who gathered it, if done by a 3rd party on contract, said data belongs to the client unless of course, the clients account defaults. It would not be prudent for me to discuss intimate details regarding data from ANY of the varied organizations my firm contracts for and I hope people here can understand this. I think people need to realize my business works for at any one time 5-7 different clients in the data arena but I also have other interests outside data gathering and fundraising. I am a staunch patriot, Christian , social conservative who has no time for Zionism OR Jew haters, nor do I like the 14 word, 88 Hitler lovers or the National socialist critique. I love my God, my Queen, my Flag and my country. We built the BNP up from 5700 members to nearly 15,000 in 18 months, we took the dropout rate down from a crushing 78% to a respectable 18% and we raised the party over £4 million pounds in 3 years (and £10k per month standing orders, and harvested the many legacies now paying off handsomely). Sadly, all in vain, you can give a monkey a strad violin but it will still sound awful! We charged the BNP about 40% of the going commercial rate and as you all know , ended up doing management stuff and all the rest for free and against my wishes, but it was simple , if we didn’t do it , it did not get done. We are not, at present, contracted to any political party and as for the claims that Britain First is failing, let me state clearly that it is indeed thriving with more paid up members than the NF/ BFP/FD’S put together! No spin, no hype just the plain, simple truth. Remember what resources BF has at hand? And I don’t do failure…period! It is my earnest hope and prayer that ALL true patriots can in future work together and we may never again be infected by greedy, cranky , self serving crooks, perverts and talentless bigots. JD
Thank you James for your response and your personal e-mail. I have no doubt that you’ll get the usual faces responding to this post!